The Barnett government has made it hard to get to the oddly soulless Ellenbrook, and maybe that’s a good thing. Dodgy Perth has previously detailed Pedo Sirling’s unhealthy pursuit of this child. Why she has been rendered headless and “joyfully astride two donkeys” is another mystery. At least the pub has been restored in Governor Pedo’s hood. By Cimbali.
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Two donkeys? Was she in Mexico?
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You’re thinking painfully astride rather than joyfully?
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love thy ass
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Grisly
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Did she have legs, arms and a head at all?
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All previous accounts say she was thirteen, not fourteen. Why would they lie to us? Why?
“The story of Stirling’s instant infatuation for Ellen Mangles, as preserved in the family archives, makes delightful reading. She suddenly brought herself to his notice by dashing past him mounted on two donkeys—one foot on each! He went down before her on the moment, but only metaphorically, one hopes. However, it was definite and permanent, though he had to nurse his secret love for two whole years, until she had reached 15, when he thought it was high time he avowed his love.”
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Better Ellen Mangles than Alby Mangels. Perth would be a very different place he was in charge of the colony. Or maybe not.
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I’m sure alby could have straddled a brace of donkeys.
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That bit probably ended up on the cutting room floor. Thank God.
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While this statue is weird at best, it is splitting hairs to call Stirling a ‘pedo’ (even by our standards) as he married Ellen just 1 day before her 16th birthday. Technically she was under-age by OUR laws but at the time, the age of consent is stated to be between 10-12 years old for females. It was common for men to marry women half their age. It isn’t really appropriate to judge standards in history by modern day laws and morals.
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Pedo Stirling was banging on the door way earlier according to Dodgy Perth.
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Dodgy doesn’t dispute Marc’s statement ( 1 day prior to her 16th birthday).
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Facts have no place on teh Internet.
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Yes, Stirling first saw her when she was 13. Also remembering that no intimate relations would have been engaged in until they were married. Ellen’s mother wrote to a friend about Stirling as follows : ‘Of character unimpeachable for honour and integrity, joined to an intelligent mind and a handsome face and figure. Even if not exactly weighed down with riches, he is extremely prudent and steady; really a most gentlemanly elegant young man.’ Ellen’s family were more than happy when Stirling asked to marry Ellen. Interestingly most articles about the marriage state that Ellen was married on her 16th birthday – whether this was a ‘bit of a cover up’ is open to speculation. Our info is that she was 1 day short of her 16th birthday as stated before.
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In the late 18th the average marrying age for women was 28. During the 19th this fell slightly, but never declined (as an average) below 22. Depended on social class, etc., but it is clear that 15 is way, way too young even for the era.
It’s a mistake to confuse the age of consent (a legal thing to avoid statutory rape) with cultural expectations. We don’t encourage young women to marry at 16 in WA.
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Hmm Marc links to Bush Ballads, did you know this TLA?
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No. I did not. I’m sure I’ve done a post slagging them off somewhere.
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Have I linked to this one before?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/38398853
Classic wa bush ballad extolling genocide.
The footnote refers to a missionary, a French Jesuit Indian trader in Canada. His implement for converting blacks six at a time is jolly frontier humour.
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What!!?! No pannicans upon their saddles tied? How would they find their way?
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With a tamaya sextant and black tracker chained to a camel team of course. And yes, their chains are jingling merrily as a mr whippy van as they pass the arcadian shearing sheds and the camels whisper to eachother in a lost dialect of pashto
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This is as close as we’ve been.
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Yes, apart from many other things, I write bush ballads: http://www.wanowandthen.com/Ballads/index.html your point is?
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“Splitting hairs” = Statutory Rape and registration as a sex offender
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classic defence of pedos.
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“Splitting hairs” in this case does not equal statutory rape. Yes by the standards we have today you would be correct but by the standards that applied at the time, there was no offence at all. As a historian, I have to deal with the facts as they were, rather than allowing my own views to cloud the way I might view a historical figure’s actions. Charles Howe Fremantle seems to have been involved in a rape at some stage, the whole thing was hushed up and he was never prosecuted. His action was much worse than Stirling’s as it directly contravened the laws of the day. There are many such instances in history that simply do not get talked about.
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why don’t ya get fucked?
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My, my aren’t you the charming one?
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Was a little harsh, no?
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Governor Stirling always raise passion , his banner having been appropriated by many causes.
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You can take Pedo Highway to rapey old Fremantle town.
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Yeah well let’s see what the Australian electoral commission think of such legal niceties. I’ve made my submission for the seat of Stirling to be renamed. they’ll do it too by God. I’ve suggested ‘grljusich’ to replace it.
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L.f baum author of the wizard of oz wrote after the massacre at wounded knee, 1891 –
‘ our only safety depends upon the total extinction of the indians’
But I suppose it’s not fair to judge him by modern day morals eh mark coz genocide was quite ok then. Wasn’t it?
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The past is the past.
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Are you comparing attempted genocide to Stirling marrying Ellen 1 day before her 16th birthday with the full consent of her parents? Really? The former is a minor infraction at worst – given the laws at the time it is not even that, while the latter is abhorrent. From all accounts, the marriage between James and Ellen was a long and happy one. There are far worse things in history that could do with highlighting, including the attempted genocide of the First Peoples of the Americas. An atrocity that far exceeds even the holocaust in WWII.
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Crap – reverse former and latter in that last post as I can’t seem to edit out the error :)
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Are you comparing attempted genocide to stirling
Yes of course. A simple contra positive will explain. If p then q, if not p then not q. If there is such a thing as race then there must be such a thing as racism. However if there’s no such thing as race then there’s no such thing as racism and we have to develop a new vocab to describe and stigmatise the invaders who can no longer be called racist in a post-race world. See? Fortunately this is the Internet and I never let facts get in the way of a good rhetorical device, so if I can stigmatise Stirling by juxtaposing his taboo- ish tendencies with genocide, that’s a perfectly good poetic device. Good enough for the bush anyway. Tie it up with wire and off we go.
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“See?” – er, no, not really but never mind – I was never any good at algebra, probably why I became a programmer – the world is a perverse place….
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Gibberish.
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F. L. Baum, actually. Not sure who out there loves him for that quote.
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There’s a Main Street in Ellenbrook?
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Unsullied by a train station.
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“we pollute our own air individually thankyou”
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is the writing on the plinth real? Please someone say it was Photoshopped?!?!
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Def real.
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I saw a movie once where the, ahem, heroine was joyfully astride two….well it wasn’t actually donkeys. More like horses given the size of them…..
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Put it on Facebook, or it didn’t happen.
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